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Cry Me A Riverbend II

Monday, February 14, 2005

Changes At This Blog

Friends,

This is to let everyone know that with increasing commitments at work, I will not be making any attempt to update this blog regularly in the near future. I'm gratified by the 1200 or so visitors that have come by here each month, and if you have a blog on Iraq, it is likely I'll be checking you out eventually. I'll do some occasional profiles on Iraqi bloggers, and I'll post some new pictures and links I've been gathering on Kaddaffi's all-girl bodyguard (here here and here), but I'm not going to be very active on this blog or others.

Anyway, it looks like I'm not very much needed anymore. Why should I fisk Riverbend, when there are 100 Iraqi blogs that can reveal her as a liar just by writing the truth. After Riverbend's last post and also Raed's and Khalid's latest posts, and with the results of the elections, it has been increasingly clear to me that the Unrealists have lost.

There are reports that average Sunnis are upset with Association of Muslim Scholars for calling a boycott since A) by listening to them and those like them, the Sunnis feel like the train left without them and B) the AMS now says they will "respect" the results of the election (so after the vote the AMS is willing to accept the elections -- ha ha ha). Also, the Ayatolla-supported UIA party failed to capture 50% of the vote so they will have to work with the secular Kurds to form a constitution. And both the Kurd and Shi'a leadership say that they consider including Sunnis in the constitution process to be "vital". Sistani may attempt to influence the constitution process, but that ship has sailed -- there will be no theocracy. If Sistani tries to force one or even one by another name, he will be marginalized. If he doesn't, then he will only lend credibility to the process.

So it looks like everything is going to work out. There are going to be some bumps, but the possibility of Iraq becoming a failed state becomes more remote each day and nothing seems likely to change the momentum. The Ba'athists have lost (Riverbend's family), the Islamists are losing, Tehran is going to lose Eastern Kurdistan (IMO), Sen. John Kerry -- who claimed the Iraqi liberation was a mistake but he would send Americans to die there anyway -- lost, Michael Moore -- a pariah now even among Unrealists -- lost, Juan Cole has been revealed as a joke over and over again. Can you see the smile on my face? Ear to ear, my friends.

Zarqawi and his group have openly declared war on democracy, and the other terrorists are kidnapping retarded children and forcing them to be living bombs. Why would anyone need me to explain to them that the Iraqis are fighting a war against the most sinister evil? And if they do, what more could I say to persuade them?

In advance, I morn and honor those Iraqis who will die this year at the hands of abaddon-minded dead-enders. But I can see now that the future of Iraq is entirely in the hands of Iraqis and the Mult-national force will more and more play the role of assistant rather than partner.

Riverbend has gone back to telling drama-queen fiction breaking out in tears because (supposedly) some stranger said she ought to wear a skirt:
No one could talk that way before the war and if they did, you didn’t have to listen. You could answer back. Now, you only answer back and make it an issue if you have some sort of death wish or just really, really like trouble.


Oh, come now, Riverbend. Of course they didn't talk to you that way. Confronting someone with close ties to Saddam's government could get you in trouble. In fact, many reported feeling just the way you describe now:
The problem with defiance is that it doesn’t just involve you personally, it involves anyone with you at that moment- usually a male relative. It means that there might be an exchange of ugly words or a fight and probably, after that, a detention in Abu Ghraib.

Now I ask you Riverbend fans, have you ever read Riverbend acknowledge that that this was a constant fear for the vast majority of Iraqis in the good ol' days of Saddam? Has she ever acknowledged that people seem to have felt the same worry when talking to her once upon a not so very long time ago?

All this presumes Riverbend isn't blowing the event way out of proportion or making it up entirely. I'd love to see a blog devoted to instances of the enforcement of conservative dress on Iraqi women or on the harassment of women who wear pants or don't cover their heads. Until now, it is only Riverbend who talks about it, and she is no one I would believe about anything anymore. She's a Rejectionist by her own words now. And she's been shown to be a liar in the past.

And Raed? Khalid? They're blogs have been a fountain of the most pathetic blatant rumor-mongering. If they were Americans, they would be called "black helicopters types": people who will buy any conspiracy theory that views the world in terms of powerful hidden forces and weak mind-controlled robots/huddling victims.

What does Khalid say?: The elections were an exoneration of Rejectionists like himself. Yes. He he did write that yesterday. Raed seems pretty much through with Iraq. If he's not reiterating some bizarre conspiracy theory, he's railing against newly elected Palestinian Authority leader Abbas for acting to keep the cease-fire with Israel, or against the government of Jordan. Hmmmm....He doesn't like elected leaders and he doesn't like secular monarchies. The only government that atheist communist Raed seems to like is the Iranian theocracy:
I still have this faith in the Iranian government, that has better potentialities of having internal revolutions and evolution, a government that can produce a real national democracy in the long run.

Faiza still complains, but she is really uninterested talking about the legitimacy of the New Iraq anymore. She's in Jordan now, and who knows if she'll ever go back? She says she will. She says she wants to do something to help Iraqi women. That sounds admirable.

So I don't have time to update this blog regularly for the next few months, and frankly, why bother? The terrorists, the Rejectionists, and the Unrealists are getting the message out for me.

I'll see ya'll when I see ya. You can still reach me by email and Yahoo! IM.

[UPDATE]
I can't help it! Saudia Arabia religious police crack down on the observance of Valentines Day, even among husbands and wives...the color red is banned for clothes and flowers:
...Religious authorities call it a Christian celebration that true Muslims should shun.

Each year shortly before Feb. 14, the country's religious police mobilize, heading out to hunt for - and confiscate - red roses, red teddy bears and any signs of a heart.
[...]
Valentine's items descend underground, to the black market, where their price triples and quadruples. Salesmen and waiters avoid wearing red.
[...]
"Female voices demand the re lease of the red rose," read a headline in Sunday's Asharq al- Awsat. Women complained to the paper that no one had the right to ban flower sales.

In a town outside Riyadh named Thumama, Sheik Abdullah al-Dakhil, head of the muttawa, or religious police, told Al- Eqtisadiah newspaper that "despite awareness campaigns and the confiscation of flowers, chocolate and other items, there were 15 infractions" for Valentine's Day indiscretions last year.

Does anyone believe that a majority of Iraqis are going to sign up this sort of nonsense?

29 Comments:

  • So long CMARII. It's been a great place to stop by and read. I agree with your assessment. It's over for the Ba'athists and it's good riddance to bad rubbish as far as I'm concerned.

    By Blogger Louise, at 5:50 AM  

  • Hope to see your sensical comments continue around the blogosphere. Yours is a solid voice for reason and common sense. A cold slap in the face to what you call the unrealists.

    I echo louise and your thoughts towards the future of Iraq. Clearly the country is spinning towards an orbit of democracy and self-determination. Big toothy grin here also.

    boyintheworld

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:32 PM  

  • ((FADE IN))
    (The dust settles in the street, revealing the guys in white hats
    firing a last few chasing shots at the outlaws that tried to take over the town. The townsfolk run into the street, cheering, unable to believe that the outlaws are gone, and peace has come to their little town, while the guys in white hats say a gruff "My pleasure" to the thank yous coming from every direction as they head out to saddle up)

    I have had the creeping feeling during the last two weeks that this was all coming to an end. I saw the fianl scenes of the fury of bloggers on iraq coming, and knew that things would be winding down, and I felt as if alot of bloggers would move on to the dangers of islam as a whole or events here at home. Things are looking that way.

    The folks on our side of the street, the good guys in the white hats, have sent the bad guys packing. Stepping outside of myself, I feel as if I am at the end of a long, great movie, where the end was never in doubt, but the ride was a nailbiter. Bloggers slugged it out in cyberspace, while soldiers gave their lives on the ground and the good guys were pilloried for "stirrin' up a hornets nest" and gettin' the town all riled up.

    It has been one hell of a wild ride.

    The cheerleaders for the bad guys are still in town, slinking around corners and saying what asses the fellows in the white hats are, but the fellows in the white hats don't care, because the music is swelling, the credits are starting to roll, and the good guys are mounting up, riding out to the next town that needs cleaning up, where we will see them in the next installment of "Freedom Rides Again"!!!!

    Cue Music
    Roll Credits
    Fade Out

    By Blogger Kender, at 11:18 PM  

  • CMAR II,

    Thanks for running your blog as long as you did. I know how much work it is. Your posts have always been detailed and articulate and just a treat to read. We've had some good times -- haven't we Pilgrim? -- throwing all those stories back and forth coming out of the Iraqi Blogosphere.

    Listen, stop by Iraqi Bloggers Central whenever you have a few free moments and want to shoot the shite with the rest of us.

    Your pal from way back already,

    Jeffrey -- New York

    *

    By Blogger Jeffrey, at 9:03 PM  

  • Whether one should break out the party hats and streamers at the momentous decision of CMAR2 to suspend spinning his little propaganda nest or whether one should mourn the removal of prime comedy material, (not to mention a case study in fallacious logic for professors everywhere) is up for debate. This last post is, logically speaking, the equivalent of Hitler declaring victory as the Soviet flag is raised on the Reichstag behind him. Nevertheless, I suppose “with increasing commitments at work” is at least something to congratulate him on, assuming of course that a commensurate increase in remuneration has occurred. (This increased remuneration would naturally be the opposite that the cheap-labour conservatives would have in mind for the average American employee, not that it has dented CMAR’s enthusiasm for supporting their cause.)

    Right, with that opening salvo out of the way, let’s get on to the lies, naivety and distortions! Plenty to go around!

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:28 AM  

  • The very first lie is this: [cmar2]”…but I'm not going to be very active on this blog or others.”, given that you, CMAR2, have been all over the place like a bad case of Rubella. Alas, and to think I thought that there was to be a respite from the monotonous babble from this um, pundit. Too bad he cannot keep his own promises.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:29 AM  

  • CMAR2 [the Ayatolla-supported UIA party failed to capture 50% of the vote so they will have to work with the secular Kurds to form a constitution.]

    This quote demonstrates your ignorance and naivety threefold, CMAR2. Firstly, your ignorance of the very process you are so excited about shines through, in that the 50% mark is not the red line for being able to single handedly write the constitution, but 66% is. They would have to work with the Kurds ANYWAY. The second matter that you got wrong is that the UIA controls 140 seats of the 275 seat parliament. Last I checked, 140/275*100 = 50,9%. Alas, the elimination of the vote of the smaller parties that did not get seats pushes the UIA over the 50% mark. CMAR2, with his head in the sand, as usual, did not happen to notice this. The result is, any decisions requiring a simple majority can be steam rolled through. Thirdly, the Kurds are not secular. They are majority Sunni Muslim. I guess that slipped by as well.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:30 AM  

  • [CMAR2] “And both the Kurd and Shi'a leadership say that they consider including Sunnis in the constitution process to be "vital".”

    More mental confusion by CMAR2. Given that it is widely accepted that Sunni Iraqis are the base from which the Resistance draws its support, and that the Resistance has been vilified as being composed of “terrorists”, “thugs”, “ex Baathists”, “Islamists” and all sorts of other scary things, explain to me in what way, IN YOUR VIEW, does the inclusion of these eeeevil people constitute a victory? I find it both admirable and a little scary the manner you have mastered Orwellian doublethink so well. Onwards …

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:30 AM  

  • [cmar2] “Sistani may attempt to influence the constitution process, but that ship has sailed -- there will be no theocracy. If Sistani tries to force one or even one by another name, he will be marginalized.”

    [cmar2] “the Islamists are losing”

    These two statements are hilarious. I imagined that SCIRI stood for “the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq” and that the other parties of the UIA like Daawa etc. were ideological cousins. Perhaps I was wrong. Perhaps the UIA does not control 51% of the seats. Perhaps SCIRI stands for something else. Please, CMAR2, tell us again the “Islamists” are losing? Humour is in such short supply lately. Sistani “may” be able to sling you Americans out of Iraq as well as forcing direct elections as an alternative to “rule by Chalabi”. Finding a way to enforcing Islamic values in an Islamic country is not going to be hard. The Kurds will, as long as they get Kirkuk / Mosul, leave the rest of Iraq to burn. Don’t count on them.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:31 AM  

  • [cmar2] “Juan Cole has been revealed as a joke over and over again.”

    LOL! I’m assuming he was wrong when he warned against the disaster that was occurring? I’m assuming that he was wrong if he had said that there were better ways of handling things? Any specific examples you want to raise?

    [Cmar2] “Can you see the smile on my face? Ear to ear, my friends.”

    Hey, there was this imbecile that I once saw. A real nice guy. He also smiled from ear to ear the whole time. I guess if you don’t understand anything, you tend to have that reaction.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:32 AM  

  • [Cmar2] “Zarqawi and his group have openly declared war on democracy, and the other terrorists are kidnapping retarded children and forcing them to be living bombs. Why would anyone need me to explain to them that the Iraqis are fighting a war against the most sinister evil? And if they do, what more could I say to persuade them?”

    American soldiers are sodomising kids in jail, kidnapping innocent families as hostages and mowing down civilians on a regular basis. They ride grandmothers like donkeys and deny medical facilities by denouncing & occupying hospitals as centers of propaganda, violating the Geneva Conventions in the process. They bomb wedding parties and say that they were “bad people”. They steal on an individual as well as corporate basis. They say the best way to alleviate concern for civilian casualties is to “change the channel”.

    Why would anyone need me to explain to people that the Iraqis are fighting a war against the most sinister evil? And if they do, what more could I say to persuade them?

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:33 AM  

  • [cmar2] “Riverbend has gone back to telling drama-queen fiction breaking out in tears because (supposedly) some stranger said she ought to wear a skirt:”


    CMAR2 in his infinite wisdom does not seem to realize what Daawa and SCIRI stand for. He does not realize that their interpretation of Sharia is being upheld actively through force. He does not realize there are many corroborating tales of similar, but more violent measures taken by them against those dissenting. He mainly does not realize that his statement makes him sound both ignorant, fascist and a boor. On the other hand, given his Goebbels-like talent for purveying opinions as fact, (never proven, of course, but hey, that might be a little much to ask) he does not surprise me here. All I can assume is that he too disapproves of women wearing pants, given his defence of Daawa. Well, we know what CMAR2 stands for, at least, now that he has proven his stance for us. Thank you CMAR2.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:35 AM  

  • CMAR2, the main lesson that an attentive reader would gain from your mockery of Riverbend is not only your petty cruelty, but especially the way that you have neglected doing even the basic minimum of research on subjects which you pontificate so confidently about. So, for your information and future reference a few, um, FACTS, as opposed to the SPECULATION in which you specialise:

    Female Iraqi candidates risk lives
    By Kathy Kiely, USA TODAY

    "The biggest challenge Iraqi candidates face: how to avoid getting killed. Candidates of both sexes risk assassination and kidnapping. *Women face additional hostility from some of the country's religious conservatives.* " // my emphasis

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:35 AM  

  • Feminist Daily News Wire - June 13, 2003
    Women in Iraq Face Restrictions on Rights

    “Iraqi women are seeing their rights increasingly constrained by religious groups gaining increased power and the almost nonexistent security. Women wearing long skirts and Islamic headscarves are now being turned away from mosques and shrines because they are not wearing the abaya, a black head-to-toe cloak, according to the Christian Science Monitor. Restrictive dress codes are also being imposed on women at universities. New signs posted at the entrance of a university in Baghdad state that pants are prohibited and that women who wear scarves that leave part of the head uncovered are not "real" Muslims, the Monitor reports.

    The BBC reports that one Iraqi United Nations staff member received a handwritten note at home saying that she would be killed unless she wore a veil covering her hair. UN officials have also reported pressure on schoolgirls in some areas of Iraq to veil.”

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:36 AM  

  • Warning Sign of Fundamentalisms: an Overview
    February 2004 By Kathleen McNeil, WHRnet

    "On December 29 2003 Iraq's governing council1 issued an order introducing Sharia law in personal status matters and canceling all laws which are incompatible with this decision, including the 1959 Iraqi Law of Personal Status, which is considered one of the most progressive family laws in the Middle East … As the many Iraqi demonstrators protested, it effectively rolls back women's rights by handing authority over to individuals who favour a conservative interpretation of Muslim jurisprudence, giving men the right to unilateral divorce, relatively unrestricted polygyny, greater shares of inheritance than women, and the right to custody of children after divorce."

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:36 AM  

  • Iraq: Violence against women increases sharply
    Amnesty International - Feature, 2004/03/31

    “The number of radical armed groups has increased in Iraq. Many of them have issued threats against women not observing the Islamic dress code or against women human rights activists. In Basra, women and girls not wearing the hijab have been threatened. Now almost all cover themselves.

    Many reports indicate that women's human rights activists and organizations are being threatened.”

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:37 AM  

  • One Year Later: Women’s Human Rights in "Liberated" Iraq
    By Yifat Susskind - Spring 2004

    “In many areas, Islamic militants now patrol the streets, beating and harassing women who are not "properly" dressed or behaved.3 According to a woman musician, "If the Islamists see me walking on the street with my flute, they could kill me."4 In Basra, heavily armed religious extremists repeatedly storm into university classrooms and threaten to kill women without head coverings. Iraqi women’s organizations have accused Islamic groups of "taking revenge on each other by raping women."5”

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:37 AM  

  • I guess this is yet another Homer Simpson moment for you, CMAR2. *flash* *snap!* Best preserve this mugshot for posterity.

    Yet, somehow you make *Riverbend* out to be the liar, spinning “fantasies”. When in reality her story is just a mild version of what is happening all over Iraq. I find it quite sad that in your over-eagerness to scrape up some dirt to fling at her, you prostitute your integrity by posting lies and by posting statements clearly reflect your blinkered outlook on Iraq. Sad, but hardly surprising

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:38 AM  

  • As for Khalid and Raed, you put your foot in it once more. Your extremely confused state of mind is unable to comprehend that Raed, for example, might be against *false* democracy and autocrats. That he might prefer genuine people power. You refute your own conjecture in the extract you post to *support* it: [raed]“ … a government that can produce a real national democracy in the long run.” Uh, yes, I suppose those are the words of somebody against democracy … in the world of CMAR2, where bad is good and good is bad. Whatever. At least try not to blow yourself out of the water next time. You’re leaving nothing for me to do. By the way, any proof that Raed is a Communist? A simple quote would do. Given your success in rising to other challenges, I won’t hold my breath. Guess this is merely more labeling by the incomparable CMAR2.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:38 AM  

  • Your “black helicopters” theory is equally sad, given that the rumours they reported were (a) real rumours (b) acknowledged as such. For example, Raed openly mocked that TOY photo of the ‘captured marine’. I guess that just slipped you by. Oh, and if you imagine that the electorate voted IN FAVOUR of the occupation, you need to back that claim up. With PROOF, unlike your “Riverbend is a Baathist” ravings. Last I checked, 92 % of Iraqis wanted the US out. Khalid is quite correct in what he said. Resisting the Occupation through votes rather than bullets is merely a difference in form rather than intent.

    The kicker to the jokes that you posted:

    [cmar2]“Does anyone believe that a majority of Iraqis are going to sign up this sort of nonsense?” [religious rule]

    In case you never noticed, List 169 controls 51% of the parliamentary seats. They already have.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 3:38 AM  

  • Bruno,

    Regarding this very matter I responded to someone else via email who cited similiar reports on this matter. This is what I wrote:

    "Oh I have heard of this, but its not really the sort of thing Riverbend presents, is it? Does the article say where the woman lived? The reason I ask is that the masks on these men make me suspect they were terrorists ("insurgents"). In Fallujeh when the Marine's moved in, the embedded reports told of the cruelest sorts of Sharia law being imposed by the terrorists who had taken over the city. There were posters telling women to cover up and against non-Islamic books, and there two women found executed in the streets apparently for breaking some Islamic law. Small villages are also apparently harassed by roving Islamic gangs who attempt to coerce them to follow Islamic codes and to boycott the recent elections (remember the village that turned on the Terrorists who came to punish them for voting?).

    But Riverbend's accounts do not assign her persecutions to the terrorists. She assigns them to city officials and --most often-- to all her Shi'a neighbors whose liberation she presents as nothing but a license to impose religious rules on everyone. She continuously equates liberty of Shi'a as tyranny and liberty of the Kurds as US manipulation. (And I don't doubt that is the way she sees it.)

    So when I say I'm looking for accounts of persecution, I'm looking accounts like the ones Riverbend relates. On the other hand, this makes me think of Riverbend's claim that it is not safe for women to walk unescorted after 4pm. I wonder if she is actually talking about these gangs of terrorists. That would be ironic since she most often speaks of the Shi'a party SCIRI as the dangerous enemy yet the Islamic gangs seem to consist primarily of Iragi Sunni and foreign Arabs.
    "

    By Blogger CMAR II, at 6:41 AM  

  • Bruno,

    "Real rumors"?? Irony. And funny too!

    *List 169 controls 51% of the parliamentary seats.*

    There's no excuse for this type of ignorance, even for your addled mind. It has been widely reported that they got 48%. And prior to the election UIA openly backed away from theocracy by announcing that no clerics would be appointed by the list.

    The extent to which they will be influenced by the clerics? Well, we shall see. But almost 40% of their elected representatives are women. hmmmmm

    By Blogger CMAR II, at 6:44 AM  

  • "Any specific examples you want to raise [regarding Juan Cole being revealed as a joke again and again]?"

    Google for the subject of Dr. Ferret-face accusing the "Iraq The Model" brothers of being CIA fronts. Google for the subject of Cole touting the Dr. Khalidi article in "In These Times" which was found to be backed by little history and entirely by a Saddamist Propoganda film called "The Great Problem" starring Oliver Reed.

    By Blogger CMAR II, at 6:53 AM  

  • CMARs blog...brunos comments section...or is your comments section actually brunos blog?

    That is funny....he only blogs on others comments sections.

    HA!!!!!!!!

    Bruno=LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!

    By Blogger Kender, at 7:58 PM  

  • Your Riverbend letter is another indication of the level of ignorance prevalent in warmonger circles. Yet somehow you still feel qualified to invade and impose, huh? The reality is that while there are *some* insurgent groups that would impose strict Islamic laws, there are other Shia groups that do the same. These groups are related to SCIRI and Daawa, and in case you have not realised, control the south of Iraq ... well, theoretically the whole of Iraq now that they have whupped butt in the elections. Excerpts relating to Basra are certainly talking about groups like Badr’s Brigade. Ironically these groups and the Zarqawi types are imposing much the same sorts of rules, but they hate each other. Those mosque bombings were very likely the “Zarqawi types” hitting at the Shiites in an attempt to further polarize Iraqi society. Please note that the bulk of the resistance is not necessarily affiliated with either, a case in point being the eerie calm on the day of the elections, where the resistance stated it would refrain from operations.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 5:48 AM  

  • Either one of these two (Shia / Zarqawi) groups (or both) could be responsible for Riverbend’s woes, and both have come to prominence since the chaos that has been the American occupation has allowed them to rise to power. The fact remains: Iraq sucks more as a place to be a woman NOW, than under Saddam’s regime, and Riverbend’s assertions are reality, and yours are not ... Bravo America!

    By Blogger richsanter, at 5:49 AM  

  • [cmar2]“"Real rumors"?? Irony. And funny too!”

    *sigh* (slowly now…) What I am saying is that these rumours were widespread and believed by many people, *as opposed to Raed inventing them himself*. What I am saying is, these ‘rumours’, grounded in fact or lies spread as fact, served a specific agenda and had real – world consequences. What I am saying is, if one ACKNOWLEDGES something to be a rumour one strips it of its power and that hardly makes one a “black Helicopters” type. What I’m saying is, CMAR2 is wrong as usual.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 5:50 AM  

  • This next exchange relates to the futility of fighting the blorg, mainly because they understand nothing, they cite irrelevant points that have no bearing on the reality of the discussion, and they make it out to be some sort of victory in the process:

    [bruno] “The second matter that you got wrong is that the UIA controls 140 seats of the 275 seat parliament. Last I checked, 140/275*100 = 50,9%.”

    [cmar2] “There's no excuse for this type of ignorance, even for your addled mind. It has been widely reported that they got 48%.”

    Dearest CMAR2, yes, the UIA received 48% OF THE VOTE. (There are *rumours* of cooked books circulating, though) Then, during the process whereby the votes of those parties that never received enough to gain seats are essentially discarded, the UIA total was pushed up, so that they control 140 seats of the 275 seat parliament. I imagine that even you can see that 140/275 IS A 51% MAJORITY. Even you can see how 140 outvotes 135, right?

    By Blogger richsanter, at 5:50 AM  

  • [cmar2] “And prior to the election UIA openly backed away from theocracy by announcing that no clerics would be appointed by the list.”

    Riiiight. You know, I can haul out like a dozen quotes where various members of the UIA stress both their Islamic identity and their determination to turn Iraq into an Islamic state. Quite apart from politicians being lying bastards the world over that I would not trust further than I could throw them and that the “no theocracy” statement is an expedient bone tossed to the West … I suspect strongly that the Iraqi theocracy will be more a matter of degree than form. Sort of the difference between Stalinist Russia and modern China – the one is much more open, yet they are still both Commies. We can turn this into a major discussion, if you like, but time will prove me right. Just watch.

    BTW, the Juan Cole thing is the first interesting item you have posted here. I’ll check this out.

    By Blogger richsanter, at 5:52 AM  

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