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Cry Me A Riverbend II

Friday, June 04, 2004

Who Is Riverbend?

Riverbend's description of the ways Iraqis are working around the current difficulties in her neighborhood and country (intermittent electricity) is worth the read to say the least. She had to clean the roof with a relative(?) so the family could sleep on it during the night.

Despite her new sleeping arrangements, our girl may be turning toward optimism despite her better judgement. Her preview of her review of the new government is that it is "interesting". That's ringing endorsement coming from her. She said she would soon put out more on it. She hasn't gotten to it yet for which I can hardly blame her. However, I really wish she had posted a follow-up entry since I could talk more about this. (That's right. Riverbend must sleep on the roof and it's my problem. I'm just like that.)

This combination post/cesura does give me a chance to talk about Riverbend in general. which is fortuitous, I guess. Who is Riverbend? Others have speculated so I will too. It makes sense I suppose, since this blog is indirectly named after her.

Okay. Back to Riverbend. What do we know about her? In her first post she told us:
I'm female, Iraqi and 24.
Early on she gave an explanation of herself and ever since I read it, I've believed her family was well placed in the Saddam regime. Which explains why as early as Aug. 26th, 2003 she spoke openly of nostalgia for Saddam:
Maybe come April 9, 2004, Bremer and the Governing Council can join Bush in the White House to celebrate the fall of Baghdad... because we certainly won't be celebrating it here.
Who is "we" and where is "here"? This is what Riverbend wrote:
A lot of you have been asking about my background and the reason why my English is good. I am Iraqi- born in Iraq to Iraqi parents, but was raised abroad for several years as a child. I came back in my early teens and continued studying in English in Baghdad.
"Early teens" means she returned to Iraq early in the 90s. But before we go any further I need to deal with what has caused the most speculation about her: her English. It's not just good. It's flawless. I'm pretty good at "literary voices" and can usually detect an accent in writing, but she has none (from this American's point of view). She says she was raised "abroad" and she's "bilingual" which suggests she speaks her native tongue and English. So "abroad" is not France or Russia. It's somewhere where the native language is English: Britain, Australia, South Africa, Canada, America, the Carribeans (Am I leaving anything out?). But once again, she has no "accent" in her writing...no non-American idioms or words. For "abroad", I'd say we're looking at America or Canada.

Most Canadians live within 150 miles of the US border. But I think the claim that she's "bilingual" almost dispenses with the possibility that she was raised and educated there. I "was raised" across the lake from Canada. I have several close Canadian friends, and, personally, I've never met a Canadian (teen-aged and up) (even those in Western Canada) who would admit to not being able to speak French (even though, excepting French Canadians, most seem to speak it only marginally better than most anglo-Texans speak Spanish.)

Besides, there's no "Canada" in her posts. She bears no self-conscious pose of superiority over American culture in which Canadians stew. Her tone when referencing aspects of the American movies and government is like an American's. She lacks the subtle quaint false presumptions most Canadians have about Americans from experiencing the US almost entirely from US television yet (because of proximity) believing they know it. There is no self-perceived distance from America. She usually reads like an American exiled to Iraq. She explains her knowledge of American culture in that Iraqis closely follow American culture, but this doesn't answer it for me. Put her posts side-by-side with the Jarrar boys and with The Iraq the Model brothers (whose English is also very good), and I think any American ought to see the difference.

So, I'm convinced that "abroad" means she lived in America. Her parents left Iraq with a little lateefa (I've been learning Arabic with Faiza), but returned home with an American teenager. I suspect she has continued to correspond with American friends over the years which explains why when she (for example) makes a reference to George Bush being selected by the Supreme Court it has the ring of a young American Democrat rather than a boiler-plate slur she picked up from a liberal website.

Okay. So in her early teens....her family returned to Iraq. Return to Iraq? In the early 90s? When would that have been prudent or necessary. The Saddam regime was a paranoid, orwellian government. During the sanctions, it was very hard on average Iraqis. America is full of Iraqi ex-patriots, but none that were looking to return until after the Ba'athists fell, and even now they're waiting for the security to improve. Why would her family have chosen to return to Iraq. The only plausible excuse that I have been able to come up with was if they worked at the Iraqi Embassy in the United States. It was closed during Gulf War I. A few diplomats continued to work out of the building after it was taken over by the Algerians, but I doubt whole families would have remained, at least not for long. This has been my opinion since I first read her old posts, and I've only had this suspicion confirmed for me in her subsequent posts -- nothing has made me seriously question it. (Perhaps I've overlooked something...let me know)

For an example, this understanding places in a new light for me her story about losing her job with the sofware company (state owned it seems) after the fall of Saddam. She describes a society under Saddam (which I fully credit) in which women participate freely in the workforce as professionals. I'll also note that reportedly under Saddam, Iraqi ethnic Christians (Ouch! Niki cracks a stick over my back for that one) had unparalleled freedom in Iraq compared with other Middle East countries. Which is to say, they were not singled out for persecution any more than other ordinary Iraqis. Tariq Aziz was the only Christian in the Saddam inner circle, but Christian representation in the Saddam government was probably unparralled in the Middle East). Riverbend is paid as much as her male coworkers. She interacts with them normally.

Then the invasion came and suddenly everything changed. About three months after the start of the war, she returned to her office. Her description of the transfer of power at the company convinces me it was state-owned. The old director died during the second week of the war (coincidence? suicide? causualty? murder? She doesn't say) and now a lot of new people along with the old are arguing over who will take over. The place is in disorder...there are few women there but there are women.

The first person she meets is a male coworker. He says:
he wasn’t coming back after today. Things had changed. I should go home and stay safe. He was quitting- going to find work abroad.
Next the two of them meet a department head (one they had worked with before):
We paused on the second floor and stopped to talk to one of the former department directors. I asked him when they thought things would be functioning, he wouldn’t look at me. His eyes stayed glued to A.’s face as he told him that females weren’t welcome right now- especially females who ‘couldn’t be protected’. He finally turned to me and told me, in so many words, to go home because ‘they’ refused to be responsible for what might happen to me. Ok. Fine. Your loss. I turned my back, walked down the stairs and went to find E. and my cousin. Suddenly, the faces didn’t look strange- they were the same faces of before, mostly, but there was a hostility I couldn’t believe.
As I first read this, I found it confusing. People with whom she had worked at ease suddenly found her presence unacceptable because she's a woman. There are other women there, but she is sent home because she's a woman. People don't turn on a dime like that. They don't. And no amount of arguments will convince me they do. Her male co-worker says he isn't coming back either...he's looking for work out of the country. Why was the situation there so uncomfortable that he was leaving immediately as well? (CMAR II quietly drums his fingers on his desk for effect)

Something is being left out here. I fully believe that that Islamic conservatives moving into the company probably looked forward to straightening out all this "unlawful" female involvement in the workforce. But I don't believe a department head would feel it necessary to look a lowly female programmer in the eye (as was apparently typical before the invasion) if he didn't want to. If there was hostility in the heart of her coworkers three months after the war, it was there before the war. It just wasn't in their faces. And what about the new environment was forcing the male programmer out as fast as Riverbend? But what if the department head and Riverbend's other coworkers felt they had to treat her with prudent respect because of her family connections? And what if those very connections are part of the reason for the hostility from her coworkers...and the hostility toward her male coworker as well? In her most recent post, Riverbend says that people in Iraq get government jobs based on who they know:
Some of the ministers are from inside of the country (not exiles) and the rest are from abroad and affiliated with different political parties. This will, naturally, determine the types of employees in the various ministries. You can't get a job these days without the proper 'tazkiyeh' or words of approval from somebody who knows somebody who knows someone who knows someone else who has a friend who has a relative who... well, you get the picture.
Is that really very different from the way it worked before? Is that how people got jobs at her company? Last August was she was in the uncomfortable position of her sponsors being the losers? When the department head says "expecially women who 'couldn’t be protected’" were unwelcome, there are more ways than physically that a woman can be protected or lose her protection.

Throughout her posts, but especially in the early ones, Riverbend identifies the fall of Saddam with the rise of Sharia oppression. She draws a picture of Iraqi life before and after Saddam as one of secular freedom and theocratic totalitarianism. She expressed repression from Imam-led militias well before we heard about it in the news. This is so like Raed's recent posts that I posit that many backers and participants of the Saddam regime justified its crueties and corruption in that it was "better than Iran" or Saudi Arabia or any other Islamic country you can name. This point is not without merit. But just as I said in my last Raed post, Saddam was increasingly becoming less even of a secular alternative to the Islamic regimes. The answer is not for her to hope for (or even expect) the new Iraq to fail. I'm not superstitious but saying things too loudly and often have a way of helping them come to pass. The Ba'athists are not coming back (if Iraq is anything but cursed), and the Coalition vison is the only one that will see her once again be able to safely go out wearing blue jeans after 4pm again.

[UPDATE]
Reader BK has some further speculation about Riverbend including her name...

CMAR II--
Your speculations on the I.D. of Riverbend is very good. Like many others, I have guessed she was party affilliated. And I've asked her about the American idioms (no reply--no surprise). The timeline you lay out seems to fit the story as I know it. I also think her neighborhood is very near the bend in Euphrates River (hence Riverbend) which is very near the government offices. The structures and surrounding area are under repair so the electricty would come and go often. The university of which she frequently speaks is also not far nor is the cafe at which she meets her freinds. She's an uptown girl from across the river where many government workers lived. I could be wrong. Riv writes beautifully.

[UPDATE]
From the Comments at Healing Iraq as part of a discussion about the January 2005 elections in Iraq, a poster named Insider From Baghdad writes:

Riverbend is the eldest daughter of a Saddam-appointed ambassador, and a high ranking Ba'athist, to a western country during the eighties.

Raed Jarrar is the eldest son of a Palestinian refugee who was driven out of the Gulf after Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, and granted asylum in Iraq by Saddam's regime.

Both persons do not count in this historic day and will instead make it to the dustbin of history.

Then he writes:

I am a Sunni from the Zayuna district in Baghdad, originally from Mosul, and I personally know both the people I have mentioned.

I have sent an email to Zeyad asking him to confirm that this poster was at least writing from Baghdad. No word at this time. If I hear from him I will update this post. Of course, I can't vouch for the source, but it sure sounds like confirmation of what I have said here and what others have deduced about the Jarrars.

[UPDATE]

See this post for more information on special privileges granted to Palestinian immigrants during Saddam's reign. This could help explain why freedom under "occupation" today seems so much worse to the Jarrars than life under Saddam.

344 Comments:

  • Great post, interesting thoughts...

    By Blogger JG, at 6:05 AM  

  • http://www.606mag.com/main.php?id=132
    article on riverbend.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:23 AM  

  • I find it revolting that you don't show respect of the anonymity of people that use it to protect their own safety while speaking freely. At least put your full name on the article you coward.

    I see you re-publish what basically amounts to hearsay about her identity. I am not sure if it is the best example of it or not, but this exact type of information should be treated with extreme caution. What if it isn't correct? What if someone innocent would get jailed because of it?

    Death threats and uncomfortable attention is something lots of lots of journalists have to live with on a daily basis working in oppressive regimes or just writing about groups that don't fancy the attention. IF you mean this blog of yours is something that is worth shit you should stand up and take the little inconveniences that follow publishing unpopular opinions. You have no threat from your government, and I doubt there would be anything to any threats you might have recieved, then that is the same risk lots of people take each day in their work, mostly for shite pay. Because they believe in the freedom of speech that seems to be your favourite toy. Or is it in conflict with your work? Again that shouldn't be much of a sacrifice if you mean it is worth standing up for. Do you think it could have consequences for the work opportunitys of Riverbend, in a theocracy? She writes that Muqtada al sadr needs a bathe. Never ever would you have the balls.

    You should afford others that have a real use for it the same priviledge you yourself enjoy in your simplicity.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:04 AM  

  • Ukranian,

    Show me where I have published Riverbend's name?? I haven't, and I wouldn't. Don't be an idiot.

    I've only pointed out the near certitude that Riverbend is not an ordinary Iraqi citizen. She and her family benefitted greatly under Saddam, and that is the context in which her blog should be read. If you read it differently, you are kidding yourself. I haven't identified her further than that.

    If I am right about her, then everybody in her neighborhood knows who her parents are, what role they played in Saddam's government, and what she thinks of the Shi'a and the current government. YOU CLEARLY SUSPECT I AM RIGHT.

    If I'm wrong -- if I am wrong about just about ANYTHING about Riverbend -- then she should be very happy with this article. It will lead any bad actors searching for her far off track.

    If she feels slandered, she can contact me directly. I'm easy to get a hold of. She can set the record straight. I'll publish any response she wants me to. OR she can set the record straight herself. She can publish prominently in her blog that

    * Her family were former regime elements

    * That her perspective on life under Saddam as opposed to the way it is now is probably affected by that fact.

    * She always thought Saddam was the best choice among all the alternatives.

    If she had published that, I would never have been curious any further about her backstory.

    But drop the sanctimonious crap about me supposedly unmasking her. I haven't done that, and that is obvious.

    By Blogger CMAR II, at 5:29 PM  

  • "But drop the sanctimonious crap about me supposedly unmasking her. I haven't done that, and that is obvious."

    If you and/or the guy you choose to publish are right, you have limited the selection to probably about one person. If you are wrong, I doubt she would think some innocent girl getting punishment in her place would be "good news". Sure wouldn't make her feel safer, it is not like an innocent person to or from would make a difference to either muqtada al sadr or the people at Abu Ghraib. From what you write, it sounds like it is you that suspect I am right.

    I frankly have no clue as to if you are right or not. Your methods are crap, they will give completely wrong results 4/10 at the very least. Your methods' ethics are crap. And your balls are crap. In all things that matter, you are in my opinion terribly wrong. Starting from there it has little purpose to nitpick about what might still be standing. Fit a lighter on the head of a hen, and she might become the first hen to use fire. Doesn't prove hens are intelligent. I am critiqueing your methods in this piece, not calling you a hen. You seem educated and not emotionally unstable, so I am taking the liberty of making a point.

    "If she had published that, I would never have been curious any further about her backstory."

    Basically putting in plain words that you think blackmail is ethical, when at the same time talking about level terms and "setting the record straight". This is morally corrupt, no matter if you are jesus christ the saviour himself.

    Asking her to come here and comment is ridiculous. You are basically asking her to trust you on giving her fair treatment, when you don't understand simple concepts about staying as alive as possible in Iraq.

    You are asking her to come and discuss with you on even terms when there are no possible way to make them so even if you would show : RESPECT for her expressed desire for anonymity.

    For what she knows showing her face here could start events that would likely have her tortured, raped and killed. Your grandstanding or nothing you have written on this conspiracy site cost you anything but the price of coffee and broadband. You are saying that because she, living in not one but two terror regimes and criticizing them both. That since she claims anonymity, you using it is to level with her. You Coward. And I would never call you that if I didn't believe it to be the absolute truth. Put your name on this or put it down and I would find other descriptions. Give her the equal terms you are babbling about. She'd chew your whole water colour paintery up in a few minutes on level ground.

    I frankly don't see any relevance for your points in analyzing what she says, for which you need to use a grasping language even for the parts that migth be factual. What does "elements" mean? Earth wind and fire?. Put in plain english what you mean and it would be apparent that you are either covering half of Iraqs population or saying what amounts to "I really don't know".

    Who were and where not "elements" in a regime where all work appointments in reality went through the censorship of the party? Including university positions? Should we disregard the opinion of educated people that ever worked their trade in a country without democracy? IF they enjoyed western type standard of living (in a country where that was not as uncommon), they are morally corrupt? I mean do you think people had real choice, like, freedom, if them working against the dictator would put friends or family in an impossible situation? Or that anyone earning money in Iraq thought feeding innocent people to dogs was swell? How do you know they weren't helping the US government invade?

    Positive views of the US went from 50% to 5% in the middle eastern arab population from before to after Iraq II. If what happened is that she changed her opinion, she'd be in rahter good and plentiful company.

    And Are you not aware of the cleansings of baathist officials? You think those people have no clue about what they are doing? Without but theorized proof you can do better than them at spotting the real Saddam supporters from the ones that did their best to help people under the circumstances.

    What about you? Are you living in the burbs? Never tried how it is to be really hungry, or cold? Fat? Does it have anything to do with the ability to form an independent opinion? I need that information to see if you are making sense or not? Your premise is as warped as your process.

    * That her perspective on life under Saddam as opposed to the way it is now is probably affected by that fact.

    This is either a completely moot point, ot no point at all. I don't know the recent number (maybe you do ...?) but I think around 70% of Iraqis readily admit that even how bad Saddam sucked, both their lives and future now are far far worse. For curds in curdistan it might be a different issue, but please keep some proportion. I know quite a few Curds and so lets say it wouldn't impress me if you say they are grateful and in respect.

    Even though it is harder for the poor, it is hard for everybody. Most of the intellectuals and/or secular have left the country or are considering it, for the same and more reasons they did it under Saddam. The sentiment of the guy you quote, it probably is lost on you but his statements at least fit well with a person that believes in theocracy eg. a sharia state, and probably several states in what is today Iraq:

    "Both persons do not count in this historic day and will instead make it to the dustbin of history."

    Eg. as most educated, moderate intellectuals and western culturally oriented people, they will leave or get cleansed.

    Or he is just speaking pompously about something else. Or it could be you under an alias. Or it could be santa's little helpers. Still, if it supports your idea, lets spread to the entire world, no matter if it might get innocents hung. Noone is responsible for anything that follows from what they write on the internet, because that, it would be complicated.

    "* She always thought Saddam was the best choice among all the alternatives."

    Based on what? This really is ridiculous if you look at it. After growing up with freedoms and your beloved US system, coming back to Iraq where she was hanging with young hip people that used the net heavily and listened to depeche mode, she changed her mind and fell in love with a mix of dictatorship and tribal sheik rule...

    And are you saying that you are sure yourself that Saddams rule was worse than what is there today? Do you sincerely believe that the top Iran oriented politicos now elected have clean hands when it comes to affiliation with the insurgency? Do you think there are a grand supply of suicide bombers that are not religious wingnuts? How could they know they would go to paradise without the blessing of the top religious leaders?

    And another way of saying what you say is that she would prefer to support an Iraqi solution to the same problem that the US solved, but it seems replaced with an even worse one and losing not only its image for generations but its very soul in the process, some people would say.

    Are you disputing the stories she tell about members of the insurgency killing dear friends, the professors she respect at the university and abducting a family member? Then how can you on a site that has a rule about "college classroom" discourse, label her as a representative for it? It is worse to use cuss words? And do you sincerely believe that you can "play" with such labels on people that live in terror regimes? The US/Iraqi army are basically arresting all sunni's between 16 and 40 for nothing!

    "That's correct and I believe that it remains so today because they are still doing these raids, these round ups where they will go out and target an individual, and whoever happens to be around that individual, they bring them all in. And then there is no avenue to release them, once they are tagged as security detainees, they fall into this relatively new and unsupervised category." -- General Karpinski.

    I'll have to give you some respect for answering my post though. A lot of people would have just hit the delete button. It aint profanity that makes a free spoken debate. If you took the opposite route about her anonymity and made a point about respecting it if for nothing else but for the sake of the principle, this site could be both pissing her and people like me off and while at the same time forcing us to respect you for taking an opinion that I don't know, probably wouldn't only be popular with the home audience.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:10 PM  

  • Ukranian,

    you've given me a lot to respond to. Give me a few days.

    By Blogger CMAR II, at 9:25 AM  

  • Cmar,

    Can't but agree to your terms.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:19 PM  

  • Has anyone considered the possibility that Riverbend is a fake? While I admit that the level of detail in the blog is very impressive, it just doesn't read like it was written by a 25 year old Iraqi, privileged or not. It's kind of weird that she links to the Onion. Do Iraqis get jokes about Madison, Wisconsin stoners? Is that funny to them? And the link to the International Action Center doesn't seem normal. And, um, Dilbert. I just don't know. It doesn't sit right.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:22 PM  

  • what astonishes me is that when someone writes clearly, simply, convincingly and intelligetly that there are so many detractors. Anything read in her posts is plausible given news reporting. Is ti because she's a woman? I suppose you'ld like to deny the holocaust as well. How many of you bozos "believe in the Bible"? Come on, blog like billy-o about the utter unverifiable hearsay nonsense that can't be questioned for thousands of years.

    Go riverbend!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:33 PM  

  • I taught English to non-native speakers for about 4 years. I'm sure any teacher will tell you that this writing can only be done by someone who has lived overseas for an extended period of time. She's at a level that can't be learned.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:34 AM  

  • I'm personally convinced Riverbend is not entirely who (s)he says (s)he is. Not only does she use perfectly idiomatic American English in her writing, there are also inconsistencies in the accounts of life in Iraq in 1991 during the Gulf War. Apparently, she was not in Iraq at that time, yet she says she awakened the morning after the bombing at the Amirya Shelter to see the scenes of carnage on TV. From her 15 Feb 04 entry:

    "The bombs fell hard and fast at around 4 a.m. The first smart bomb went through the ventilation, through the first floor of the shelter- leaving a gaping hole- and to the bottom 'basement' of the shelter where there were water tanks and propane tanks for heating water and food. The second missile came immediately after and finished off what the first missile missed. The doors of the advanced shelter immediately shut automatically- locking over 400 women and children inside.

    It turned from a shelter into an inferno; explosions and fire rose from the lower level up to the level that held the women and children and the water rose with it, boiling and simmering. Those who did not burn to death immediately or die of the impact of the explosions, boiled to death or were steamed in the 900+ º F heat.

    We woke in the morning to see the horrors on the news. We watched as the Iraqi rescue workers walked inside of the shelter and came out crying and screaming- dragging out bodies so charred, they didn't look human. We saw the people in the area- men, women and children- clinging to the fence surrounding the shelter and screaming with terror; calling out name after name… searching for a familiar face in the middle of the horror."

    I don't remember seeing any of that on the news here in the States in 1991. Do you? I was 27 that year. She was apparently 11. It might have been on Iraqi TV, but she tells us she returned to Iraq sometime in "the early '90s." It doesn't add up.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:26 PM  

  • Clarification to last post:

    I meant to say, Riverbend tells us herself that she returned to Iraq when she was a young teenager, further clarifying the fact that she was not in the region in 1991 (when she was 11). If she was in the U.S. during that period (as the article at 606mag referenced above states) where did she see the TV broadcast of the bombing aftermath at the Amirya Shelter? I can only imagine it was the Iraqi or some other Arabian Embassy that would get that kind of broadcast. Also, all but four Iraqi diplomats were expelled from the US in 1991.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Iraqi_Embassy_in_U.S.

    I suspect the true identity of Riverbend will come out eventually.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:00 PM  

  • I've read Riverbend for a few years now. Her prose is very curious. To my British ear, it is Americanised, though not irritatingly so. She relates a lot of personal experiences but she gives very little away. She more or less follows a "party line" and she is obviously well informed about personalities. She's also quite strong on women's issues, so I agree that her family was probably well connected in the secular Ba'ath government. But I don't think there is any doubt that she is an Iraqi patriot. Now she's a refugee herself. Pity. She and her family are exactly the type that should have been cultivated in the invasion aftermath. You Yanks were a lot smarter in Germany in 1947 when you dropped the non-fraternisation stuff.

    By the way, we had graphic pictures of that 1991 bunker bombing in the UK. Mainland Europe shows even more gory stuff and there are no holds barred in the Arabic world. Cable was widespread in 1991 and I accept she could have seen it as it happened, while she was abroad, though probably in an Embassy.

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